Nah Nazism was totally fine and even applauded until they started expanding and were going to pose a competition problem for established capitalists. The allies won because they had the common interest of crushing a competitor that would cost them profit and power. The axis lost because the 3 of them were empire building and didn’t have common interest beyond “don’t fight over the same stuff. Maybe help each other?”
The axis lost because the 3 of them were empire building and didn’t have common interest beyond “don’t fight over the same stuff. Maybe help each other?”
I think this is probably the best response. The allies wanted to protect the status quo including their own colonial empires. There was talk of “self determination”, but that did not apply to their own colonies.
Don’t forget, the Soviet Union was totally fine with the Nazis marauding in Eastern Europe until they started invading their territory. Only after that, they decided the Nazis had to go.
That’s very reductionist. I’m no tankie but you have to admit the soviet leadership were no bad strategists. They were well aware that there would be war and they needed every bit of time to build up their heavy industry to be prepared. Without the masses of tanks they had by 1941, the soviet union wouldn’t have stood a chance.
And acting as if the Western Allies were any better is quite laughable. They were acting out of pure self-preservation as well, not for some great ideals or honor or something.
Britain and France declared war in Germany on Sept 3, 1939.
This was triggered by Germany invading Poland. The USSR and Germany signed a pact and Britain signed a pact with Poland in response. When Germany invaded Poland, Britain had to respond.
Before this, Britan, France and Italy signed a treaty with Germany which basically let them have Sudetenland??. This is an example of appeasement. There was no appetite for war after WWI. People were kind of hoping Hitler would just chill tf out of they gave him some stuff, including permission to re-militarize. LMAO.
Italy wanted to take advantage of the war to gain territory, so they linked up with Hitler. They were also colonizers in Africa (along with Britian, Germany, France) so fighting happened there too. Italy’s war in the Balkans got Britain to respond (gotta protect the oil!) which then got Germany involved.
Other aggressions that were largely ignored but the allies:
Japan invading China
Italy invading Abyssinia (Ethiopia and Eritrea).
Germany invaded the USSR in June 1941. And that point the USSR joined the Allies with the Anglo-Soviet agreement.
For some reason the US was taking part in the Atlantic Charter (August 1941) months before they entered the war?? The US and China didn’t enter the war until December 1941, but this was because they were attacked by Japan. The US declared war on Germany and Italy a few days after they declared war on Japan, the did so after Germany and a Italy declared war on them.
I’m not an expert or even really an enthusiast, so this is pretty simplified. If I want to take it a step further I would say the war was about protecting empires (including colonies), more than opposition to Nazis.
There’s a picture of a young Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth) being taught by her uncle, the then King, how to make a NAZI salute.
At least the British upper classes actually liked NAZIsm, they only started having a problem with NAZIs when Hitler invaded Poland.
More broadly, the white supremacist ideas have always been appealing in Britain - even Churchill himself committed a Genocide in India years before he became PM and the Battle Of Britain. Certainly a continued love for such ideas would explain Britain’s posture even since: unwaveringly supporting Pinochet in Chile, the Apartheid Regime in South Africa and right now the Zionist Genocide in Palestine.
At least for Britain their relation with NAZIs wasn’t hate, it was mainly geopolitics and actual fear when Hitler blitzed through France and ended up on the other side of the Channel from Britain.
Don’t get me started on the US: from the NAZI movements in the US to how long they kept selling to both sides (famously IBM supplied the computer systems used to manage the Holocaust), only turning against the Axis and entering the War after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
And then there’s of course how Stalin actually had a pact with the NAZIs until Hitler broke it and invaded the USSR.
Yeah, when you consider a nationals an entity sure, but pretty sure the hundreds of thousands in the trenches and their families back home had a pretty solid hatred for nazis
Weren’t the allied powers a movement joined together in their hatred of Nazis?
Nah Nazism was totally fine and even applauded until they started expanding and were going to pose a competition problem for established capitalists. The allies won because they had the common interest of crushing a competitor that would cost them profit and power. The axis lost because the 3 of them were empire building and didn’t have common interest beyond “don’t fight over the same stuff. Maybe help each other?”
I think this is probably the best response. The allies wanted to protect the status quo including their own colonial empires. There was talk of “self determination”, but that did not apply to their own colonies.
Here is a list of British Colonies, Protectorates and Dominions in WWII
When Japan attacked the US, they were actually attacking their colonies of Hawaii, the Philippines, Guam, Midway Island and Wake Island.
No, joined together because of them all being threatened by Nazis.
Don’t forget, the Soviet Union was totally fine with the Nazis marauding in Eastern Europe until they started invading their territory. Only after that, they decided the Nazis had to go.
That’s very reductionist. I’m no tankie but you have to admit the soviet leadership were no bad strategists. They were well aware that there would be war and they needed every bit of time to build up their heavy industry to be prepared. Without the masses of tanks they had by 1941, the soviet union wouldn’t have stood a chance.
And acting as if the Western Allies were any better is quite laughable. They were acting out of pure self-preservation as well, not for some great ideals or honor or something.
No?
Britain and France declared war in Germany on Sept 3, 1939.
This was triggered by Germany invading Poland. The USSR and Germany signed a pact and Britain signed a pact with Poland in response. When Germany invaded Poland, Britain had to respond.
Before this, Britan, France and Italy signed a treaty with Germany which basically let them have Sudetenland??. This is an example of appeasement. There was no appetite for war after WWI. People were kind of hoping Hitler would just chill tf out of they gave him some stuff, including permission to re-militarize. LMAO.
Italy wanted to take advantage of the war to gain territory, so they linked up with Hitler. They were also colonizers in Africa (along with Britian, Germany, France) so fighting happened there too. Italy’s war in the Balkans got Britain to respond (gotta protect the oil!) which then got Germany involved.
Other aggressions that were largely ignored but the allies:
Germany invaded the USSR in June 1941. And that point the USSR joined the Allies with the Anglo-Soviet agreement.
For some reason the US was taking part in the Atlantic Charter (August 1941) months before they entered the war?? The US and China didn’t enter the war until December 1941, but this was because they were attacked by Japan. The US declared war on Germany and Italy a few days after they declared war on Japan, the did so after Germany and a Italy declared war on them.
I’m not an expert or even really an enthusiast, so this is pretty simplified. If I want to take it a step further I would say the war was about protecting empires (including colonies), more than opposition to Nazis.
There’s a picture of a young Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth) being taught by her uncle, the then King, how to make a NAZI salute.
At least the British upper classes actually liked NAZIsm, they only started having a problem with NAZIs when Hitler invaded Poland.
More broadly, the white supremacist ideas have always been appealing in Britain - even Churchill himself committed a Genocide in India years before he became PM and the Battle Of Britain. Certainly a continued love for such ideas would explain Britain’s posture even since: unwaveringly supporting Pinochet in Chile, the Apartheid Regime in South Africa and right now the Zionist Genocide in Palestine.
At least for Britain their relation with NAZIs wasn’t hate, it was mainly geopolitics and actual fear when Hitler blitzed through France and ended up on the other side of the Channel from Britain.
Don’t get me started on the US: from the NAZI movements in the US to how long they kept selling to both sides (famously IBM supplied the computer systems used to manage the Holocaust), only turning against the Axis and entering the War after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
And then there’s of course how Stalin actually had a pact with the NAZIs until Hitler broke it and invaded the USSR.
Yeah, when you consider a nationals an entity sure, but pretty sure the hundreds of thousands in the trenches and their families back home had a pretty solid hatred for nazis
Same as today, now isn’t it?
Most of the population leans one way but those in power de facto lean the other way.